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Recently, Bill Hunt over at The Digital Bits caught a lot of flack over a piece he wrote on the HD war, and why The Digital Bits was backing Blu-Ray as the “format to beat”.

Bill’s piece was a response to a post from Harry Knowles over at Ain’t It Cool News where Harry talked about picking up a HD DVD player, and why he had chosen that particular format. Bill decided to respond to the piece primarily because Harry’s piece was full of erroneous information (I know, on Ain’t It Cool News? Surely I jest…). Harry’s piece has since been edited somewhat, but is still far from correct. It is full of fear, uncertainty and doubt, and has several facts flat out wrong. Bill’s piece does a more than adequate job of pointing out the flaws in Harry’s arguments, though, so I won’t get into that here.

I found Bill’s piece thought-provoking, and very well researched. It is a very logically presented argument as to why Blu-Ray will ultimately prevail in the HD DVD/Blu-Ray format war. It also started me on a train of thought related to one of the specific reasons Bill feels Blu-Ray will win; studio support.

I thought it’d be interesting to take some data from Box Office Mojo related to the studios and which format(s) they support, and then amalgamate that data.

I took a look at the top 100 grossing films from 2005, 2006 and 2007 year-to-date, as well as the top 100 films of all time and the top 100 films of all time adjusted for inflation, and then mapped the studios that own them back to the format(s) they support.

For 2007, up to June 28th (I started doing the analysis on June 29th), the top 100 films have grossed a total of $3,693,457,524. Of that, 52.65% of the dollar value gross, or $1,944,471,566 is from studios exclusive to Blu-Ray. 10.07%, or $372,099,319 is exclusive to HD DVD, and 37.28% or $1,376,886,639 is dual-format. The remaining 1.18% ($43,400,114) has not chosen a side.

Of the top 100 2007 (YTD) films, 47 are from Blu-Ray exclusive studios, 14 are HD DVD exclusive studios, 29 are dual-format studios and 10 are not supporting either format currently.

2007 YTD Figures (as of June 28)

Looking back at 2006, the top 100 films grossed a total of $7,868,951,746. Of that, 60.01%, or $4,722,185,762 was from Blu-Ray exclusive studios. 10.07%, or $792,188,570 was from HD DVD exclusive studios, and 29.92% ($2,354,577,414) was from dual-format studios.

Of the films, 53 were from Blu-Ray exclusive studios, 14 from HD DVD exclusive studios and 33 from dual-format studios. There were no films in the 2006 top 100 from studios that had not declared a format preference.

2006 Grosses

Going back to 2005, the top 100 films had total grosses of $7,688,897,916. 47.79% ($3,674,562,080) came from Blu-Ray backers, 11.73% ($901,950,973) came from HD DVD backers, and $3,112,384,863 came from dual-format backers. Again, no films in the top 100 came from studios that had not declared an HD preference.

Of the 2005 films, 47 came from Blu-Ray backing studios, 14 from HD DVD backing studios and 39 from dual-format studios.

2005 Grosses

OK, so when it comes to “new releases”, things are weighted pretty heavily toward Blu-Ray. Of the top 300 films released from January 1 2005 to present, 147 of them are from studios that are exclusively supporting Blu-Ray currently, and they represent 53.60% of the total grosses. Add in the numbers from the studios that currently support both formats, and you have 248 out of the top 300 films coming out at some point on Blu-Ray, and they represent 89.07% of the total theatrical grosses.

On the HD DVD front, only 42 films are exclusives to the format, representing 10.71% of the total grosses. Add in the dual-format studios, and HD DVD has 143 films, with 46.18% of the total grosses represented. This is the biggest hurdle HD DVD has to overcome, and given that the studios that are Blu-Ray exclusive are steadfastly so, I don’t see how they can (Sony, Fox and Disney are the three biggest Blu-Ray exclusive backers. Sony because they have a vested interest in the technology, and Fox and Disney because they are proponents of heavy copy protection and Blu-Ray has an extra layer of protection (BD+) that HD DVD does not – none of these three studios has a compelling reason to support HD DVD).

New releases represent the overwhelming majority of home video sales, and this is why Universal has been so aggressive in getting newer movies out on HD DVD. This holiday season, however, things will shift even more in Blu-Ray’s favor as many of this summer’s biggest movies like Spider-Man 3, Pirates of the Caribbean 3 and Ratatouille hit Blu-Ray and not HD DVD. Of the summer’s big releases that will be on HD DVD, the vast majority will also be available on Blu-Ray. In fact, of the top 20 movies released year-to-date only two, Knocked Up and Evan Almighty, are HD DVD exclusives.

Still, catalog titles have been huge for DVD and have the potential to do so again for the HD formats. Looking at the top 100 films of all time, 44 are from Blu-Ray exclusive studios (46.68% of total gross), 12 are from HD DVD exclusive studios (12.12% of total gross) and 42 are from dual-format studios (41.2% of gross). The remaining 2 films are from studios that don’t support either format yet (those two films, if you’re interested, are The Passion of the Christ and My Big Fat Greek Wedding).

All-Time Top 100

If we adjust the all-time 100 for inflation, the numbers skew even more in Blu-Ray’s favor, with 57 being Blu-Ray exclusive studios (59.27% of adjusted gross), 11 being HD DVD exclusive (12.24% of adjusted gross) and 30 supporting both (28.49% of adjusted gross). Again, there are two films from studios supporting neither format at this time (1.59% of adjusted gross) – this time, My Big Fat Greek Wedding drops out of the top 100 and is replaced by Duel In The Sun.Inflation Adjusted Top 100 Films of All Time

All of this seems irrelevant in light of the percentage of home video sales that Blu-Ray and HD DVD represent. A giant slice of a tiny pie is still a small piece of pie. If you stop and consider that standard definition DVD sales have leveled off, and are expected to decline this year, and that the movie studios are going to need to find new revenue streams to continue the growth of the home video market, it becomes obvious that the home video market needs a “new” DVD to carry it into the next generation. The HD formats are the best bet for that currently. Digital downloads are not ready for prime time (there are no standardized formats, and no standardized players, and the studios have not lined up behind any formats).

In the end, the reality is that no matter what numbers you look at, Blu-Ray has the advantage. Blu-Ray is outselling HD DVD, it has more studio support, it has more consumer electronics manufacturers’ support and the library of movies is rapidly overtaking HD DVD. Blu-Ray also has a deeper library of catalog titles to reach into.

It is time for Universal Studios, the Weinstein Company, Toshiba and the few other HD DVD hold outs to face facts and throw their support behind Blu-Ray. The sooner this format war ends, the sooner the general populace will be able to replace those dwindling DVD revenues with a new stream, and that means more HD content for all of us. Everyone wins…well, as long as you consider re-purchasing content you already own “winning”, but that’s the price you pay for progress.

Note: I updated this piece on August 20th with updated YTD results from the studios and included the impact from the Paramount/Dreamworks decision to support HD DVD exclusively.  Click here for the updated information.

77 Responses to “By The Numbers – Why the HD DVD/Blu-Ray War Is Over”

  1. Steve's Tech Blog

    Very thorough research.

    It goes very well of what I wrote on my blog back in February(first real post):the content is important not the hardware.

    Blu-ray/HD-DVD vs downloading or streaming movies?

    Me, I looked at what DVDs I had in my collection and what I would buy again in HD. Each person should do the same. Me, it is toward Blu-Ray but still waiting for Fox

  2. Manus

    You’re new to this planet aint ya ?
    The more you Sony droids plead for an end to the war the more foolish you look . Last week you said the war was ALREADY over


  3. Greg

    I couldn’t agree more… Microsofts attempt at helping Toshiba drag this out so that neither format can gain a foothold, and downloads could have more time to get off the ground is failing.

    The sooner we have one format that happens to be the technically supior format win, the sooner it can start the real war with sd dvd.

    Both formats promised HD audio. as well as 1080p..but only Blu-ray has delivered with HD audio on every single Fox, Sony and Disney title released.
    Blu-ray players are far better functioning to boot.

  4. fritzilla

    Yeah, that’s all fine and dandy, however, the main reason that the sales are so small isn’t due to consumer confusion but rather the prices are too high. So you say it’s time for people to stop buying HD DVD and buy Blu-ray? What you are really telling the public is, “stop spending $299 on a player and start spending $600 – $1000.”

    Yeah, good luck. This format war will continue as long as there is that big of a discrepancy in player prices.

  5. Chuck Duncan

    Good article! I wish more people, and the studios, would wake up! Universal, in particular, needs to get off their high HD-DVD horse and support Blu-Ray. They have a potentially huge seller coming out, the “Heroes” season one set, and I want it on a high def format…but I’m not going to buy the HD-DVD (or a player) because I know Blu-Ray will ultimately prevail, and I won’t buy it on SD DVD because I’m not going to be double-dipped. So, unless they go Blu-Ray, or someone comes out with a compatible, affordable dual format player with all the bells and whistles for both formats I won’t spend any money on HD-DVD product. Universal could double (triple?) their sales on “Heroes” or “Battlestar Galactica” by going Blu-Ray, and isn’t the amount of money to be made the bottom line for the studios??? I just don’t get it.

  6. hmurchison

    The movie split since inception seems to be about 60/40 in favor of Blu-ray. While this sounds good it really isn’t when you consider that Sony “packed in” Blu-ray support in the PS3 and that the current attach rate for all Blu-ray players is 1.x. This is despite offering more 3rd party vendors and enjoying a 4 studio advantage. It’s quite easy to look at a bunch of pie charts and attempt to deduce a victor but the reality is Blu-ray is underperforming substantially. They do not hold an advantage in stand alone players that are dedicated to movie playback. Blu-ray does not have a deeper catalog of titles. Universal alone has 5000k movies at its disposal. Do you care about every one…of course not but Universal has more movies than Fox, Columbia, and Lionsgate combined.

    The price we also pay for progress is excessive DRM in BD+. While I’m no proponent of piracy I do not like the idea of a program running on my player that is constantly checking the status of my player and disc. I do not like Region Controls that make it hard to enjoy foreign films because they are in the “wrong” region and no US distributor will pick up the tab to bring it to the US. Remember Tarantino has to bring Hero to the US for those that didn’t hack a region free DVD player.

    Blu-ray is the wrong answer for consumers. No one likes to talk about how the new October profile 2 players will pretty much obsolete many of today’s players. What about the BD-Java issues that guarantee no title will work well across all BD players. WHat about lack of networking ? What about the disc rot pictures that are floating around the place.

    Nope..I’ll keep my HD DVD player which is cheaper…delivers parity quality and doesn’t come loaded with excessive DRM, disc rot and a price tag that befits the manufactuer. With a commanding lead in players that people actually buy to play movies (imagine that) HD DVD isn’t going anywhere. If content was equal we wouldn’t even have this conversation. The trick is once again proving that Disney and Fox bet on the wrong horse again. Remember …they both loved Divx.

  7. Steve's Tech Blog

    “Remember …they both loved Divx.”
    And they don’t want to make the same mistake by choosing HD-DVD ;)

    Also, from memory, when Fox started to produce DVDs, they were of an higher quality than others at that time. Bill could confirm this.

    Price wise, I agree that HD-DVD has the upper hand for now. But if Toshiba loose money for each player, how could they bring other manufacturers(not the cheaper ones)?

    Anyway, the features maybe cool on both format but I just want to watch the movie in HD. But, that’s me :D

  8. ZapVegas

    I love my HD DVD player and hate Sony for all of their proprietary force-feeding. With the existence of almost 90% more Blu-Ray players than HD DVD players, the sales figures for BR are abysmal. I’d be ashamed of myself if I were Fox or Disney or the other studios for making consumers choose a format that was created by another studio. it’s obvious that Sony did not have the goal of being the best next generation player when you consider the lack of features, initial use of MPEG-2 and lack of networking ability on so many players. I won’t buy Sony due to the lack of thought put into the products it releases and the “forced” loyalty they demand. i.e. only peripherals they make are usable with their products. Not too “for the consumer”.
    Bah. I’m wasting my time. I’ve made my decision and I’m happy.

  9. jackson

    hey look, its hmurchison, the mindless hd-dvd troll from avsforums. here he is (he’s everywhere on the internet) spreading more fud about blu-ray, to try and save his wasted investment into hd-dvd, an already dead format. hmurchison, lol, keep fighting, you rebel of reality!

  10. jefferson

    hmurchison, haha, you’re using disc rot as an argument? keep grasping at those straws, fud boy!

  11. Ken

    hmurchison is right in that Universal does have a huge library of films, but it’s just not enough. The reality is that the numbers are taken from the top grossing films of the past three years, as well as all time, as well as inflation adjusted.

    Universal’s huge library is the vast majority of the 10 – 12% “exclusivity” that HD DVD enjoys currently in the most popular films. The only other studio that’s HD DVD exclusive right now is the Weinstein Company, and they’re such a new entity that their library is pathetically small

    Also, when you talk about libraries, nobody’s compares to the MGM library, which is Blu-Ray exclusive currently.

    Sorry, the numbers don’t lie.

    As far as DRM goes, I’ve never understood why DRM is such a big deal. I get that it’s unweildy, and I hate that consumers pay more for it, but if an extra layer of protection on BD is going to get me more films in HD, I’ll put up with DRM. The studios are trying to protect a very large investment, and they have the ability to put protections in place. Everyone understands that it’s only a matter of time until any copy protection measure is broken (including BD+), but the longer it takes, and the more cumbersome the process, the less “casual piracy” the industry will suffer from.

    The music industry was unable to put protections in place, and is suffering now because of it. Do you think had the music industry seen what was going to happen to their industry in 20 years, they wouldn’t have put DRM on CDs?

    In reality, the same people who are clamoring for movies in HD formats right now are not the people who will pirate movies anyhow…the pirates are happy with a movie shot in a crowded theatre with a camcorder. Those people are never going to buy films on an HD disc (they don’t even buy DVDs right now). I prefer my home theatre experience to be as close to film as possible, and I have no issues with paying for that privelage.

    As far as the pricing of the players goes, Toshiba is cannibalizing their own margins in an effort to gain enough of a foothold in market share to make HD DVD a long-term format. It’s a desparation move, and it shows. With companies like Blockbuster lining up behind Blu-Ray, even Toshiba has to realize it’s only a matter of time. The last time I saw a major electronics manufacturer throw this much money at a doomed technology, it was the Philips CD-i player…and we all know how well that turned out.

  12. Pointless

    I’m all for HD DVD.

    Not only is it far cheaper to get into, there are actually far more studios backing it world-wide than Blu-Ray. There are also more titles released or announced for HD DVD (world-wide, not necessarily in the US).

    This matters because there is no region coding in HD DVD. HD DVD releases in Europe and Japan, which may be Blu-Ray exclusive in the US are easily imported here.

    My last reason is my personal preference – by far, the titles released or announced by HD DVD encompass my favorites of all time. These are the kinds of movies that I can watch over and over and thus, the ones I buy for my collection. Blockbuster films may or may not stand the test of time, and may only be worth a rent.

    Why do people think that Toshiba is losing money selling their players? They’ve repeatedly denied this, unlike Sony, who has repeately stayed mum on the subject.

    I believe Blu-Ray may remain a niche player for movies, but may live on as a data-storage media (if they can get the blank disk price down). And for games, of course.

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  14. Dave R

    Excellent article. In general articles from both sides on Blu-ray vs HD-DVD have too much heat and too little light. You don’t have to reach the same conclusion as the author, but it sure is nice to see actual evidence provided to support a conclusion.

    As a side note, I’ll mention something relatively obvious but not explicitly stated. If you take these box-office shares and assume that dual-format releases will split 50-50 you get market share numbers of approximately 65-70% blu-ray vs 30-35% HD-DVD, which is pretty much what we are seeing in the market. For all the extraneous noise about the PS3 vs cheaper Toshiba HD-DVD players it appears that people are buying HD media in rough proportion to the movie’s box-office success.

    Unlike the author I’m not ready to conclude that HD-DVD is doomed, but I agree its very difficult to see how HD-DVD wins in the sense of becoming the single dominant HD disc format, and not hard to envision a world in which ultimately blu-ray wins. I do see a stalemate as a distinct possibility, but in a stalemate I suspect its a much smaller HD disc market than was possible and hence in a real financial sense both sides lose.

    I can understand Sony’s and Toshiba’s intransigence, but Universal’s rationale for its current HD disc business plan is hard to understand. It seems they will either be on the losing side outright or be in the minority of a much smaller HD market than it could be. Either way I don’t see how Universal thinks remaining HD-DVD exclusive is in its financial best interests.

  15. Urza

    Couple of things.

    You assume big blockbusters in the theatre translate’s to big sales on the Blu side. How many people have Hi Def? The sales are, and will be for a long time PATHETIC. So please, stop acting like Live Free or Die Hard will sell 5 million copies on BD. It will on SD but not BD.

    Another thing. Why re purchase content if BD wins? You act as if an HDDVD player will explode if BD gets the win. If BD wins, you buy future titles in BD, not re buy stuff you already have in HDDVD.

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  17. Kurt

    Good article.

    One thing though… white text on blue? Really hard to read. Had to bump up the text size a couple times to make it palatable.

  18. Ken

    To Kurt: The color thing is an annoyance with the different web browsers. It is something I plan on changing in the near future. I just have to find a color scheme that’ll work somewhat consistently across different browsers. Heck, I’ve had some Mac people tell me they see white on white.

  19. Ken

    To Urza:

    I have to run on the assumption that the HD formats will follow a similar pattern to what DVD releases did with VHS when DVD was new.

    The majority of large, recent theatrical releases will make their HD format debut day and date with the DVD release. Catalog titles are anyone’s guess as to when they’ll be released (there are still many catalog titles not available on DVD, and it took many years before titles like Star Wars, the Indiana Jones Movies and Back to the Future made their debuts in the format).

    People will choose the format they want to purchase their HD content on based on the availability of content above anything else, that’s the point of this piece. If the HD DVD format is to have a hope, it has to have content, without it they’re just delaying the inevitable. Content drives the sales of the hardware, not the other way around.

  20. gt350

    I like records, super Beta, Laser disk, dbx, D-vhs, CRT tvs. STEREO. I guess am a all time loser. Oh tubes too. So what has it got me— well great records, tapes,—well sound and video and alot of nice comments on my material from friends ( wOw that sounds much better then what i have) but if i did it for that i would have Blu Ray or a i pod. I will get one day the format that wins to play, but i will play the one thats not favored because it seems to me that QUALITY still has a place. even if am wrong.

  21. Greg

    I have found BD to be cheaper at retailers on shelves for the actual media as compared to the higher priced hd dvd.
    With Philips players at Wally World for under 500.00 and the nerw Sony player available right off the bat for 450.00 or less the week its released….there is zero price advantage to hd dvd at this point….and the players have a huge functionality problem as well noted at every single A/V site.

    Unlike cheap hd dvd players, BD actually has a signed contract for F

  22. Greg

    I have found BD to be cheaper at retailers on shelves for the actual media as compared to the higher priced hd dvd.
    With Philips players at Wally World for under 500.00 and the nerw Sony player available right off the bat for 450.00 or less the week its released….there is zero price advantage to hd dvd at this point….and the players have a huge functionality problem as well noted at every single A/V site.

    Unlike cheap hd dvd players which is just a rumour with zero credibility, BD actually has a signed contract for Funai made players to be delivered before the Holidays.
    hmurchison is well known to work for Toshiba and should not be taken seriously because he basically gets paid to spread FUD about BD.

    The Writing is on the wall and content is, and always will be king.
    Great research BTW.

  23. hmurchison

    I think many are just blissfully ignorant here regarding this situation. If you’re a Blu-ray fan then you don’t care that Blu-ray has 11 players on the field versus the 8 players of HD DVD. You’re not interested in a classic challenge of competition. You’d prefer the deck be stacked. Hell let’s give the Blu-ray 14pts on the board as well.

    I’m not a fanboy. I’m just disguested with a format that

    1. Never submitted formally to the DVD Forum for ratification as the next generation succussor to DVD
    2. Still hasn’t delivered a final specification. Prepare for profile 1.1 players to replace obsolete 1st gen players.
    3. Created a Cabal of greedy companies who happily collude together in spite of their consumers who are treated like untrustworthy criminals
    4. Is twice the price of HD DVD, has 3x more DRM and %50 of the features.
    5. Packed in a Blu-ray drive in the PS3 in a greedy hope of guaranteeing a win. Sony’s excuse of Blu-ray games being necessary hasn’t rang true. They basically used and manipulated loyal playstation owners to benefit another battle.

    Sony’s been caught putting rootkits on computers without approval, caught in payola schemes and other snafus that paint the company in an unflattering light. The company is ethically bankrupt.

    If I tried to sell you any other product with the deficiencies that Blu-ray has you’d tell me to go f*** myself.

    Yet you all follow like lemmings letting your Fair Use get trampled on because you don’t have the internal fortitude to tell Fox or Disney to stick it if they want a “Media Cop” in their player. You accept paying more and getting less. You accept getting treated like a criminal with BD+ watching your every move. You sold your soul for a 50GB discs. You are oblivious to the ramifications that you are setting for the future in which people will have to kowtow to excessive DRM because you caved so easily.

    I guess those with a Rebel spirit are long gone ..only to be waxed poetically in our History books. I’m seeing more Tory’s than Revolutionists. Blu-ray designed everything to benefit the producer. DRM is compulsory…even if you want nothing to do with it you “must” use AACS. Since replication is not backwards compatible with DVD you have a limited amount of replicators available who can refuse your product if they wish (Porn).

    You fling about tired slogans like “content is king” clearly you are not talking about the content of your character which is anything but Royalty. The world you are leaving for your progeny is one in which they have no control. They will not be able to be creative because most content will be locked down.

    Blu-ray vs HD DVD isn’t Blue vs Red…it’s Heavy DRM vs Lite DRM. It’s the producers format vs movie lovers format. Too many cannot see the forest through the trees.

  24. gt350

    1st off I feel blu=ray is just now= to hd dvd,but can some one tell me why every major mag or article said blu was soft or a bad picture and still said it was ok? People actually bought BAD working players—-u will need a update/ what is wrong with us , are we down to buying pre broken products hd dvd is not much better but IT WAS BETTER we should be talking about the bad QUALITY and HDMI issues more then content.

  25. cj-kent

    The arguments over price diffences are ridiculous. The only reason or at least the MAIN

  26. TheBanker12

    I just don’t understand why anyone would ever buy either one of these formats. I would never buy a format that I was not able to buy any movie that I wanted. I still love my DVD’s, and I am assured that all of the movies I want will be available on DVD. I honestly think people are pretty dumb to go out and purchase something that might not exist in the next few years, get stuck with something that might not exist in a few years, and that you cannot purchase any movie that you want. Reminds me of the wonderful LaserDisc format. That worked out well, didn’t it? Nope, I will wait until this format war is decided, and all movies are available under one. I really don’t care which one it is, as long as it is done. I believe most consumers are not going to buy either one, even if the price on both drops dramatically, until there is a united format. People love their DVD’s, and they are not going to stop buying them. So this war is only hurting the movie studios because they could be making a lot more money if they all agreed on one format.

  27. TheSaint


    Boo hoo, the world’s not fair. Get your money back from whoever sold you on that idea. I see the sidestep of the DVD Forum a good thing. Why go barter to an organization designed to keep up the status quo? Why impede progress? Why should Sony go pander to Toshiba and her allies for acceptance when they have a technology (and a formidable group of production allies herself)
    that surpasses that of the Forums? You make it sound like a bad thing. Competition is a excellent thing for he consumer. The market has an amazing way of taking care of itself without the help of some outside agency manipulating it such as the DVD Forum.

    I for one am glad that there is a stronger content protection scheme in place on blue-ray than on HD-DVD. Companies need to have measures in place to protect their intellectual property, that’s just how it is. I wouldn’t want my property to be left to the whims of an immoral society like ours. It’s funny how you said that blue-ray treats their customers like criminals, because most of them are. Many people in my generation have no issues with renting a movie, copying it on their computer and returning it. That is a crime. Content owners need every protection they can get their hands on to prevent that from happening. To that extent, I hope that they are successful. If you don’t like that, then don’t go to the movies. That is the only sort of control people should have had in the first place, the ability to spend their dollars where they want to, not the ability to manipulate others’ intellectual property for their own gain. The kind of control that you seem to espouse is petty theft. I don’t want my progeny to be thieves, no matter how stimulating the movie is that they are stealing.

    As far as Sony being ethically bankrupt, I don’t see that as being the case. Why is it ethically bankrupt again? Because it doesn’t want small time criminals ripping them off like they did the music industry not too long ago? At least Blue-Ray doesn’t have a company like Microsoft in the fray on their side trying to confuse the market as to do away with disc media altogether. It’s pretty clear that Microsoft doesn’t give one flip about HDDVD or BlueRay. All they want to do is get people to stream content to their systems using Microsoft codecs and licensing Microsoft products. Sony simply has too much at stake with their intellectual property to let it be ripped off by the masses. And don’t think for one minute that people around the world wouldn’t steal from them (Sony and Fox and any other movie studio) if they could given the opportunity and ability to get away with it. The producers format and the movie lovers format. What a sham. If hmurchison had his way we could all go to the movies for free, could rent movies for free, and go to the store and get them for free. After all, that’s what he is implying by stating that copyrights should be easily infringed upon. He doesn’t care about the investment made by the companies to actually create the expensive media we consume, or the jobs that result from that investment. Talk to anyone who used to work for the music industry who got laid off from their line of work because people stole from the companies that employed them. They would be all for content protection.

  28. cj-kent

    The arguments over price diffences are ridiculous. The only reason or at least the MAIN reason HD-DVD hardware is cheaper than blu right now is because it launched several months before blu. If you follow the prices from inception they have steadily dropped at about the same rate. Where HD-DVD hardware prices are today, Blu-Ray will be in a few months.

  29. Neil Neches

    Gee, Guys:

    I still have a laserdisc player and have kept a few discs that haven’t been released on DVD, or that actually have better quality or more features than their DVD counterparts. I even have a few VHS tapes that still haven’t been released on DVD and never made it to laserdisc. These are mainly older movies and short subjects. Of course, I have collected some 400 DVDs since the format’s inception.

    Choose which DVDs I’d like to buy again at higher prices and buy a new player as well? Maybe if I were 30 and single, or 40 and married without children. But I’m close to 55, and this old fart buys DVDs on sale when I can buy ‘em for 35 to 60 percent off! I’m not talking about the PD off-brand stuff, but many of the titles Criterion buys, as well as discounted movies from the bigger studios that are apparently raising funds and clearing their warehouses for Blu-Ray or HD or whatever. Pay $800 for a new tech player and $25 a title to get reissued movies I already own or the latest summer blockbusters? Well, that’s thousands of bucks that have to go to the mortgage, second mortgage, cable TV, Internet, cell phone bills, oil, electricity, college funds, braces, karate lessons (for my son), 401k, etc. Sorry, gang. I can live without another version of the Star Wars movies and whatever. As a matter of fact, I have to. Something tells me both of the new formats won’t release many of the thousands of classic movies from silent days until now, and that even a restored version of a B-movie noir classic like “Detour” won’t make it to standard DVD, let alone Blue-D, H-Ray, hologram. It ain’t on the top 100 list and they won’t sell nearly as many copies of Citizen Kane as Spiderman 3, so why should the studios try to make them a more attractive product (if they can). Enjoy the new stuff. I’ll have to live vicariously through your websites unless I become a movie critic and get the discs for free.

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    While i agree that Blu Ray will eventually win the format war, i think both will eventually lose out to HD streaming. With large bandwidth quickly becoming cheaper/faster it’s only a matter of time until HD downloading/streaming is accessible to most online consumers.

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  34. doctorD

    Wow…there is a lot of slinging going on here. I think the suggestion that someone on here stated about looking at the movies in your dvd collection to help you make a choice which way to go is a great suggestion. I personally don’t buy every dvd movie that comes out but do buy those that I would watch over and over again. With that being said, I chose Blu-Ray because most of my movies happen to be on that format.

    I also purchased a PS3, which I think is a very good system, back at release and have to say that it was a very good buy at that time and still is today! I did a lot of research before making the purchase knowing that I wanted a gaming system with a Hi-Def player and have to say I am personally glad Sony added this player to the system. I look forward to future games, movies, added system updates to add improve the system.

    Lastly, I think that people don’t just invest in a new format just because…I think people who have decided to make an early jump onboard of the Hi-Def format have done their own research. Yes, I am in support of the Blu-Ray format, but again that is because it contains my favorite movies. And with the price of Blu-Ray players coming down (the new Sony Blu-Ray player is now sold at Costco at $450) I will probably be buying a player in the near future.

  35. SamuraiSausage

    Curious, does anyone know how well box office numbers translate to DVD sales? Is there some resource like Box Office Mojo that measures yearly DVD sales? Was wondering if box office and media sales are truely parallel or not.

  36. Kobayashi

    I agree with steve. I just want to watch movies in HD, and im not very impressed with additional content HD-DVD has over Blu-Ray. I buy movies to watch MOVIES, not just additional content, and for me Blu-Ray is the better pick. Almost every movie i want to buy is on Blu-Ray or it will come out on Blu-Ray. Concerning the matter of PS3 and Blu-Ray Rockstar developer already complained how they are having trouble compressing GTA4 to DVD9 for XBOX 360. Therefore i trust Blu-Ray. And hmurchison, I don’t give a f*** about DRM on Blu-Ray. All i want when i buy i movie to come home, put in a player and that it properly works (what most HD-DVD have problem with). What kind of protection or other stuff they have, I don’t care. Why is this important to me? Because unlike you I AM TRULY a movie fan. Thats all from me.

  37. technotalk

    A novel idea.

    Step away from your home video screens and go out to the cinema. Movies are meant to be seen in Theaters on The Big Screen. More and more theaters are converting at least some of their screens to digital projection–for those who like that unrealistic sharp-edged-focus video look. Film is my medium of choice. It captures the world as I see it–with softer edges, richer colors, and more visual depth.

  38. Noah

    I bet all those in favor of blu-ray are kids who have a ps3. Do your self a favor, go get a real player. ooh yea, F@&#! Sony.

  39. Crackinhedz

    “I bet all those in favor of blu-ray are kids who have a ps3. Do your self a favor, go get a real player. ooh yea, F@&#! Sony.”

    …you mean like the flooded market of 1080i HD-DVD players… or better yet an xbox360 HD Add-On drive that cannot even decode high definition audio? real players huh??

  40. Kobayashi

    I agree technotalk . I do go to theaters and watch movies there, but what when i want to watch an oldie but a goldie. Then i have to go and buy (or rent) a movie.

  41. Gizni


    Flooded market of 1080i HD Players? You mean the A1, XA1, A2, XA2? THOSE?
    Yeah, FLOODED. Lets talk about all the flooded Blu-Ray players that will be obsolete in October.

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  43. William

    All you blue-ray lovers…why do you like blue ray so much when HD-DVD is better media. It’s much more durable than Blue ray and not as sensitive so it will be easier to burn things on HD than Blue ray. The only thing Blue ray has over HD is it has more space, but that doesn’t matter cause no movie or game or whatever uses all the space on a blue ray disc. Quality on a blue ray isn’t better than hd because it only goes up to 1080p!! AND!!!…HD DVDs are cheaper!!!

    These companies want you to like blue ray cause of their price and likely chance you’ll have to rebuy the movie again.

  44. Jerry

    I’ll speak up as someone who hasn’t purchased a player yet, and likely won’t for at least a year. For me as a computer geek, Blue-Ray stands out to me for capacity. 25G per layer vs 15G speaks quite loudly for use as a data storage device. Both formats have some nice gee-wiz features when applied to a movie, but I guess I’m not the usual customer. I want to see the movie in sharp detail and have great audio. I don’t really care about most of the interactive stuff (well, until it gets to the point that we have “DragonSlayer” like features for movies perhaps. :)

  45. JB

    I do not care what format wins, just finish this stupid thing already. Kill one off like DivX fast.

    William – and we will never need more than 640k either, right? Blu-Ray machine will play DVDs.

    Also, I am sick of MORONS suggesting that people go out and purchase a 1080i HD-DVD player because it costs less than a $500 1080p Blu-Ray player. D-U-H!

    There is not a compelling reason for me to support either format and I personally don’t care which one wins. I would just rather see some intellectual comments instead of F Sony or M$ sux for supporting HD-DVD. Great, nice and compelling arguments. I can get that much from my 3-year old nephew.
    Me: “Why should I buy a HD-DVD player?”
    Nephew: “Because”

    Me: “Or should I buy a Blu-Ray player?”
    N: “That’s better”

    Me: “Why?”
    N : “Because”

    Same stuff here and everywhere else I read. The ONLY thing really separating the two side is the fact that you can game on the PS3…..if there were only >1 game to play on it.

  46. Dave

    I hope hd dvd dies short. Blu-ray has everything hd dvd has + more. Period.

    hd dvd is the shaft…

  47. Terry

    This is all pointless debate. Sure, Blu-ray may seem to have more box office titles, but many of those titles can already be or soon be imported on HD DVD, such as Apocalypto, Bridge to Terabithia, Ghost Rider, Total Recall, the Rambo trilogy, and many others. If I really want them, then I can import. All in all, HD DVD is much better imo since it has a completed set of specs that Blu-ray will not have for months or longer, and HD DVD releases such as “300″ and “Blood Diamond” are a perfect example of why HD DVD excels in this regard. On top of this many neutral titles such as Superman Returns and Happy Feet (and a slew of others) have a better soundtrack on the HD DVD version (TrueHD or Dolby Digital Plus 1.5 mbps) where Blu-ray gets a pathetic Dolby Digital track at 640 kbps. Moreover, it continues to be the less expensive of the two formats. Even Warner Brothers, a ‘neutral’ studio, has many releases on HD DVD that are not available on Blu-ray, such as The Matrix Trilogy and Batman Begins.

    HD DVD is here and shows no signs of fading away, but instead is growing at a considerable pace (recent standalone players sales have increased 5 – 10x at some retail outlets due to the recent price drops).

  48. Crunchywyte

    It amazes me how all the HDDVD people let their egos get in the way of their common sense, blinded by the fact that they don’t want to admit they made the wrong decision and invested a bunch of money in today’s betamax. I’ve been researching both sides for quit a while, and picked blu-ray because it was an obvious choice , the technology is better, a future max capacity of 200GB. the highest disc now is 50GB vs. 30GB on HDDVD…not to mention all the comparisons I read on PQ and SQ between the two, blu-ray is always better. Atleast you all have Evan Almighty as Exclusive title to save you, I am sure it will destroy the Spiderman Trilogy…

  49. Geff99

    It is ironic that one of the arguments for HD-DVD is less DRM and that the companies supporting BD treat their customers like criminals. Fact is that Universal asks Microsoft to give them $1.00 for each Zune player sold because they believe that the device WILL be used to put priated music.

    Aren’t Universal and Microsoft 2 of the big boys supporting HD-DVD. I am personally against DRM. I am against pirating. However, I have kids and I would prefer to see my 2 year old destroy a copy of a movie in my library than the original.

  50. Alfredo O.

    The HD DVD/Blu-Ray war is not over, because HD DVD has the backing of most of the porn industry. Therefore, if you want to watch porn in HD you’ll have watch it using the HD DVD format. Why do people overlook the affect the porn industry has on the video format wars? The porn industry is one of the reasons Betamax lost to VHS.

  51. Ken

    There are three holes in your argument Alfred O.

    1. Porn is available on both HD DVD and Blu-Ray. Neither one has locked porn out. A quick visit to adultdvdempire.com shows 10 titles on HD DVD and 2 titles on Blu-Ray.
    2. In the days of the VHS/Betamax war, videotape offered people their first glimpse of pornography at home. Now, people can download porn from the Internet or use Video On Demand services with their cable/satellite providers.
    3. In 2000 I had the opportunity to attend CES in Las Vegas. Part of the show was a basement full of porn purveyors. Let me tell you from personal experience, porn on HD is doing NOBODY any favors. The cruddy resolution of video is a porn star’s friend.

  52. Kevin L.

    Alfredo O.:

    The VHS/BetaMax wars were determined by the porn industry because previously the only way to watch porn was to go to a theater or to buy your own 16mm projector. With the internet now there is free porn abound, and I would guess 99% of porn viewers could care less about HD-Porn. While the porn industry support is important to HD-DVD, the situation is totally different and can in no way be compared to the format war of the 80’s.

  53. BKY

    Ken regarding porn in HD. The 2 titles in Blu-ray are available as HD DVDs also. So the real score is 8 to 0 with 2 ties. I think Kevin L. brings out the more cogent argument, too many alternatives at sufficient enough quality to sway the battle in favor of HD DVD.

    The porn industry has come a long way from its roots many years ago where the women were quite hideous. There is still a lot of schlock out there…but some diamonds can be found.

  54. Raymond Blu

    You cats are crazy.

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  57. YA RLY?

    You have to pay a little more for better quality, a little rule of thumb, that said, Blu-Ray is actually cheaper per gigbite, even if the hardware is more expensive. hd-dvd is rundundant, sony offered them a chance to merge the formats in the beginning, but toshiba thought their format was superior, which is rediculous since both formats are simply storage devices, and one is BIGGER than the other :) the DRM wasnt something sony wanted, but needed to keep studios in their favor. how long before the d00m9 crowd crack it anyway :) ? theres really no need for the HDDVD format, no logical reason for it to exist. as far as porn goes, welcum 2 teh intranetz, u can has it 4 free, legally

  58. Eric

    This is exactly what I expected to find out after reading the title By The Numbers – Why the HD DVD/Blu-Ray War Is Over. Thanks for informative article

  59. Talkstr8t

    Oh, such FUD. Where do I begin? With hmurchison, of course!

    >If you’re a Blu-ray fan then you don’t care that Blu-ray has 11 players on the field versus the 8 players of HD DVD.

    Let’s see, if HD DVD has eight players that must be seven from Toshiba and one from Microsoft. Remember, you can’t count the LG player because it doesn’t support HDi, and if you count it you have to give up your whole argument about “every HD DVD player supports networking, bookmarks, secondary video, etc.” The eleven Blu-ray players are from no less than six vendors. Which is the healthier market?

    >I’m just disguested with a format that

    >1. Never submitted formally to the DVD Forum for ratification as the next generation succussor to DVD

    Keep spreading false history. Toshiba used their DVD Forum leadership position and strong desire to protect their DVD patents to prevent the format which is/was supported by virtually all other DVD Forum members and eventually became Blu-ray from being standardized within the DVD Forum. Therefore Sony, Panasonic, and others formed their own specification body. Blu-ray is not DVD – why should it be standardized within the DVD Forum? DVD wasn’t standardized in the same place as CD even though they are both shiny round reflective discs.

    >2. Still hasn’t delivered a final specification. Prepare for profile 1.1 players to replace obsolete 1st gen players.

    Neither format will ever have a final spec until the format is dead. Both formats continue to revise the specs to fix bugs, address ambiguities, add features, etc. The vast majority of the Blu-ray spec has been in place for 1 1/2 years. Don’t confuse a spec with a requirement regarding by when players must a few features of the spec. And the HD DVD spec has optional components as well – don’t suggest Blu-ray is unique in this regard.

    >3. Created a Cabal of greedy companies who happily collude together in spite of their consumers who are treated like untrustworthy criminals

    Ridiculous statement. If you think Toshiba, Microsoft, and Universal haven’t colluded you’re delusional. And HD DVD has DRM as well – why are HD DVD consumers not assumed to be criminals? You also ignore the fact that some of the Blu-ray studios are exclusive exactly because it provides more protection for their IP. Make your choice: easily ripped content from a few studios, or protected content from most of them?

    >4. Is twice the price of HD DVD, has 3x more DRM and %50 of the features.

    Can you define 50% of the features? You forgot that Blu-ray also has 67% more capacity, 80% more bandwidth, 4x the exclusive major studios, 6x the number of CE vendors with products in the marketplace, 2x the discs sold, etc.

    >5. Packed in a Blu-ray drive in the PS3 in a greedy hope of guaranteeing a win. Sony’s excuse of Blu-ray games being necessary hasn’t rang true. They basically used and manipulated loyal playstation owners to benefit another battle.

    So you’re ignoring the numerous statements from PS3 developers saying they couldn’t deliver what they’ve done on DVD?

    >Sony’s been caught putting rootkits on computers without approval, caught in payola schemes and other snafus that paint the company in an unflattering light. The company is ethically bankrupt.

    Sony BMG put rootkits on their CD’s. Sony BMG is 100% independent of Sony – they share no management. And you’re ignoring Microsoft’s numerous convictions on anti-trust charges, the faked videos during trials, etc.

    >Yet you all follow like lemmings letting your Fair Use get trampled on because you don’t have the internal fortitude to tell Fox or Disney to stick it if they want a “Media Cop” in their player.

    How exactly do you have Fair Use with HD DVD? When was the last time you were able to copy an HD DVD movie without resorting to products which violate US law?

    >You accept getting treated like a criminal with BD+ watching your every move.

    How exactly is BD+ “watching my every move”? It doesn’t phone home. It doesn’t store persistent information anywhere. It merely provides an additional layer of protection from unauthorized copying of content in a way which is completely transparent to the consumer.

    >Blu-ray vs HD DVD isn’t Blue vs Red…it’s Heavy DRM vs Lite DRM. It’s the producers format vs movie lovers format.

    And, most importantly, it’s revolutionary vs evolutionary. It’s “let’s design the best possible format” instead of “let’s protect our existing patent royalty stream”. It’s “let’s design a format which supports burning”.

    …and William wrote:

    >why do you like blue ray so much when HD-DVD is better media. It’s much more durable than Blue ray and not as sensitive so it will be easier to burn things on HD than Blue ray.

    Then where are all the burners? HD DVD is known to have far more weaknesses than Blu-ray when it comes to burning. Further, while unprotected Blu-ray discs would be more fragile due to the data being closer to the surface, there are no unprotected Blu-ray discs – they all have a hard coat which makes them much more durable than current HD DVD discs.

    >The only thing Blue ray has over HD is it has more space, but that doesn’t matter cause no movie or game or whatever uses all the space on a blue ray disc.

    How about Pirates 1 and Pirates 2, both of which shipped with 75GB of data? And it’s early yet; if you think 30GB is enough you’re as delusional as hmurchison.

    >Quality on a blue ray isn’t better than hd because it only goes up to 1080p!!

    Have you heard of bandwidth? Blu-ray can throw 60% more bits at the picture at any one time than HD DVD can. If you think this will never make a difference in picture quality you’re flat-out wrong.

    >These companies want you to like blue ray cause of their price and likely chance you’ll have to rebuy the movie again.

    And why exactly do you think Universal is in this business? Do you think they don’t want you to buy titles you already own on DVD?

    - Talkstr8t

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  62. Crazy427

    How can Pirates ship with 75Gigs of data if the discs can only hold 50?

  63. Ken

    To Crazy427 – there are two discs included with each of the Pirates movies. One dual-layer disc with the movie and a bunch of extras, and an additional single-layer disc with more extras. I don’t know that both discs are full (I don’t have a BD-ROM drive in a computer to check the data volume on the discs), but it’s certainly more than 50GB worth of material there.

  64. Guy

    And what if both formats lose?
    These “wars” remind me of the post multi-format-dvd-players wars where people chose sides. Remember that there were (and still are) different formats (mainly dvd-r and dvd+r).
    At the beginning, the early adopters chose sides and bought their pricy DVD player accordingly. Eventually, neither format won as multi dvd players came out.
    This is probably the same direction this war is going. Eventually, people will have the choice to buy a reasonably priced multi HD player that can play both Blueray and HDDVD. Eventually the majority will buy this kind of player regardless of what format each studio in the industry chose, and the ones that will actually lose are the people here that were arguing for the one format that they chose to buy.

  65. Jeff

    I work at a Best buy and about 60% of movie returns due to defect are all blu-ray movies. The Discs are incredibly easy to scratch. THere are a lot of comments about Blu-ray being better than HD DVD but take a look at Training day on blu-ray. If the 50 gig disc is supposed to be so much better for content then why does the bluray version of training day not include true HD due to space. When you say there are more blu-ray players out there than HD DVD that you are also including PS3. So if people are only buying a PS3 for bluray movies, Sony is still losing a shit load of money off of every PS3 made. They decided to go the cheap route with Mpeg 2 encoding which is insane to try and encode 1gb/sec of HD data and throw in a cheap bluray player in their PS3 still hiking the cost. So in the end you get cheaper tools cheaper parts for far more money. Hey its none of my business for those who spent 1000$ on a player, but if blu-ray is sooooo successful then why did they drop their price for the samsung player by 700$ in less than a year it was on the market????

  66. Ken

    To Jeff:

    Blu-Ray discs are incredibly resilient. The reality is that the hard coat that is being used in the Blu-Ray process is able to stand up to significantly more abuse than a disc should handle. If 60% of movie returns due to defect (and I’m assuming you’re referring to HD disc returns), then that would be pretty good considering that greater than 60% of HD movie sales are on Blu-Ray as a whole. In reality, your statistic is irrelevant without knowing how many movies are selling on Blu-Ray versus HD DVD in your store. If discs aren’t selling, they aren’t being returned.

    As far as using Training Day as a comparison between the two formats, how about choosing something that isn’t a first-generation Blu-Ray disc. Training Day was a first generation Blu-Ray disc, and for some odd reason, the studio opted to use MPEG-2 compression on the disc, even though they had a VC-1 version of the film availalbe that was used on the HD DVD. Because of that choice, there wasn’t space on the SINGLE layer (25GB, not 50GB) disc for the Dolby TrueHD soundtrack. This was the first film released on both formats, and the Blu-Ray release obviously suffered from being a first-generation title. Many of the complaints leveled against it are similar to those against first-generation HD DVD discs like Serenity.

    How about comparing something more recent, like The Departed, also released simultaneously on both formats. On that film, the exact same transfer was used, and as you might expect, the picture quality is identical. On The Departed the HD DVD gets a Dolby TrueHD track that the Blu-Ray doesn’t, but the Blu-Ray gets something that the HD DVD doesn’t; uncompressed audio. Uncompressed PCM audio is the best possible solution, because it doesn’t suffer from any compression artifacts whatsoever, but it couldn’t be included on the HD DVD because of space issues. See? The extra space is important.

    Then try and compare any of the films available on Blu-Ray from Fox, Columbia Tristar or Disney…oh, that’s right, you can’t. They don’t exist. That’s the whole point of this piece. Your argument is non-sensical, and isn’t even really related to the article you’re commenting on. Maybe you should go back to selling people extended warranties they don’t really need.

  67. John

    Blu-Ray is going to win over, I suspect. I read virtually every line here and I think the most sound advice for me is to go through my collection (600+) and see which ones would be availble exclusively in one format or the other. Should be a good indicator of future activity. Since both format hardware will upconvert (don’t know if one does that better then the other), I’ll likely not re-buy most of the ones I watch repeatdely (some I may). I’ll likely dump all the ones I’ve only watched once to make room for some HD disks. But knowing the relative availability of movies I’m likley to buy (based on 10 years of collecting) I can make a good choice.

    The protection argument is silly – they can put as much protection on that they want. What is that to me?

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  69. richard lichtenfelt

    Universal is owned by General Electric which co-developed hd-dvd with Toshiba. Blu-ray is technically superior, and has numerous exclusivity rights in addition to the movie studios; Blockbuster, Walmart (announced recently), and Target who will no longer be selling hd-dvd players and instead promote blu-ray only.
    Well Universal still has a nice amusement park but I won’t be going there or buying any of their movies until they wise up and jump on board with the future of entertainment. No, downloadable movies will never come close to catching blu-ray and will ultimately account for a very small amount of movie transactions.

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  71. Bob

    Ken! What attractive female was distracting you when you wrote this:
    “pirates are happy with a movie shot in a crowded theatre with a camcorder”

    Nooooo! Those are horrible. Intellectual rights opponents may occasionally share those as soon as the film comes out if there was no interception and there is urgency, but they are just as bad of quality to someone who doesn’t pay for them as someone who does. (Well, no one I know does pay for those of course.) However, once the film is released on media, the file ripped from that naturally becomes the choice share.

    Conclusion: Folks in non-paying acquisition can appreciate HD just as much as those in paying acquisition; the difference lies in the desire to support the industry or the desire to save money.

    P.S. If you ever decide to film in a theatre, Ken, I would recommend going when it’s not crowded, as you mention. The excess of people can reduce the output quality.

  72. Bob

    Ken: P.P.S: You’re right when you say that they won’t buy HD discs anyway. That’s why it doesn’t really mater.

    On that note, it really doesn’t matter a whole lot in the long run anyway. Both formats will end up working, have extremely similar quality, will be expensive, will get cheaper, will co-exist in dual format or one will win, and will become the next best format.

  73. Ken

    Bob: OK, maybe you’re right. Maybe pirates aren’t “happy” with a movie shot in a crowded theatre. Having said that, the DRM questions comes down to one thing, really; is it easier for someone to pirate the movie or just buy it?

    There are certain people who won’t pay, regardless of the format or the inconveniences. So be it. Let them go. The studios need to focus on the best possible experience for the people who WILL pay.

  74. Eric

    I’m going to miss the format war when HD-DVD is gone. I find the arguments extremely entertaining. Especially on forums that don’t have registration.

  75. Idetrorce

    very interesting, but I don’t agree with you

  76. GTAIV

    Blu-Ray owns and PlayStation is part of that HD is good but not as good XBOX360 sucks with so many difficulties over 130,000 have been reported 3 red flashing light in the US ONLY PLAYSTATION OWNS

  77. Alissa

    Interesting. As a Graphic Designer I wanted to ask you which software you have used to creat these pie charts? Will appreciate your time. Thanks.

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